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Coal less competitive. >> poppy, it's a combination of both. no question, low natural gas prices have killed the solar industry, the nuclear industry has hurt the wind industry and hurt the coal industry. but there's no question when you talk to coal executives they say the knife in their back was some of these regulations put in place. we've created, since election day, we've created 43,000 mining jobs in this country. that's a pretty good number. we have 500 years worth of coal in this country, poppy, so we are the saudi arabia of coal. i think that no matter what happens in the future, coal...

The fact is that jobs in the solar industries, in the wind industry in this country and around the world are exploding. the future from an economic point of view is investing in sustainable energy and energy efficiency. that's where the jobs are. from a health perspective, we have good knows how many kids in this country suffering from asthma and other illnesses related to pollution. and clearly when the scientists tell us we are right now on the verge of very, very, very serious problems because of climate change, drought, flood, now is the time to transform our energy system away from fossil...

And of course they're clean. that's what we want. >> it is ignored in this, though, steve. >> they are only viable because we massively subsidize it. if you take away our government subsidie subsidies, there is no wind industry. >> there is no question. the reason it's trying to get a foothold is because it's cleanerment it's better for the environment. >> wait, wait, wait. i got a consideration on it. you just said wind industry is an infinite industry. we've had windmills since the middle age. >> they're trying to build out the infrastructure. they still don't have the power grid to support ...

Best thing that we can do -- all of the things that we need to do don to avert catastrophic climate change are the same things that we need to do to safeguard our economy, to build prosperity, to create jobs, to democratize our economy, to democratize our energy system. there's now more people employed in the solar industry in this country than there are employed as coal miners. there's more people in the wind industry than in the coal industry. so these industries are exploding. it costs -- to build a coal plant costs $3 billion, to build a gas plant -- $3 billion a gig watt to build a gas pl...

Economy, to build prosperity, to create jobs. there's now more people employed in the solar industry than there are employed as coal miners. there are more people in the wind industry than the coal industry. these industries are exploding. it costs to build a coal plant $3 billion a day. to build a solar plant is 2.1 billion a gig watt. we're beating them in the marketplace. they can't compete against us except by maintaining these huge obscene subsidies that are going to the carbon industry, and by maintaining their political domination. if we want to lead the world morally, economically, and...