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What it also tells you is that the democrats shouldn't get their hopes up that these four are going to testify because one of the things the trump administration taught the democrats in congress is they can defy congress more or less with impunity because they can tie up these subpoenas in court for months, and this committee does not have months. so even though these four, i think, have no real legal basis to refuse to testify, i would be very surprised if they actually did wind up testifying. >> yeah. so, laura, the committee wants documents, let's see, by the first week in october, and pate...

The democrats shouldn't get their hopes up that these four are going to testify, because one of the things the trump administration taught the democrats in congress is they can defy congress more or less with impunity, because they can tie up these subpoenas in court for months, and this committee does not have months. so even though these four, i think, have no real legal basis to refuse to testify, i would be very surprised if they actually did wind up testifying. >> so, laura, the committee wants documents, let's see, by the first week in october, and pa patel and bannon are appearing on oc...