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He is extremely apologetic and ashamed, embarrassed about the whole situation. this is a kid that has excellent parents who did not raise him this way. this is something he is very distraught over and hopefully the rest of his career and his future isn't completely destroyed over this. >> you say he believes he should have walked away despite what happened. did you tell the media or do you believe that he was provoked because of some sort of racial slur that was said? >> no absolutely not. in fact things get twisted and turned around quite a bit when you make statements in the media. what i sa...

Not avoiding the media winds up resinating with voters as a way to be more about them. do you think the two go together? >> well i think now, the clinton campaign thinks people are on vacation and not tuning in. i talked to folks who see it as a campaign that's a work in progress. they are looking at it as a long game it's july 2015 not 2016. i talked to some donors about this. they feel the strategy ducking the national press hasn't been good. we'll see this ramp up of doing more and more interviews. i think the interview showed the strengths and weaknesses of hillary clinton as a candidate. ...