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Healthcare. and they say you have to start paying, people don't generally like that. >> if you look at the referendum campaign, you will see situations where a third, half of the electorate changed their mind. >> public sectors make up minority of organized labor in the united states. that is one reason they will watch it closely and why a defeat would be a major blow indeed. >> chris: doug mckelway from windy ohio. thank you for that. next on grapevine, guests of the -- guess who president of the -- guess who president of afghanistan and hillary

Healthcare. and they say you have to start paying, people don't generally like that. >> if you look at the referendum campaign, you will see situations where a third, half of the electorate changed their mind. >> public sectors make up minority of organized labor in the united states. that is one reason they will watch it closely and why a defeat would be a major blow indeed. >> chris: doug mckelway from windy ohio. thank you for that. next on grapevine, guests of the -- guess who president of afghanistan and hillary clinton were talking about. we'll explain. we're going to he into the intervi...