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You can wing it at this level and survive very long. >> greta: you mentioned his help in virginia to the republican party and new jersey and massachusetts. the president, in terms of campaigning for democratic candidates around the country, what candidates need him and what candidates need to run from him? >> this is where i think they have a huge challenge in the white house. i can't -- i suspect he's about to get in a position where he go in and raise money but not campaign. if you look at his experiences, he was very ineffective in virginia in the governor's race. very ineffective in new je...

Be doing in foreign policy. >> greta: what is the job of chairman of the republican national committee? >> inherently, when you don't have a president the chairman is going to get a fair amount of publicity. a lot of what steele has done has been good. the real purpose is to raise money to build the organization nationwide. he represents every state party. he helps get resources and assets to all of the state parties. he played a significant role last year in helping win in virginia, new jersey in the governors races and in massachusetts in the special senate election. i think that easy to for...

She has so much potential that she can kind of wing it. although i do think that she's starting to build a little bit more of an infrastructure. nonetheless, she doesn't need as much of an infrastructure to be able to raise money, to be able to have the high name i.d. and to be able to appeal to a wider swath of people than tim pawlenty who's making all the right moves, but is just less known. >> maybe i can push your button with this one, cynthia. it doesn't bother you she's making zillions of dollars. how about this, as someone who trained, yourself, like i did to learn things, gets up every...

Particularly her base and particularly republicans, who even if they are sort of tea party types who are concerned about a government that is spending money unchecked, still nonetheless value the sort of capitalistic idea, the entrepreneurial spirit that she is clearly embodying at this point to go out and make a bunch of money. i don't think that's going to hurt her. as to republicans who are sort of hemming and hawing over whether she is a good face of the party, think we hear that a little bit more from some of the folks who are her prospective opponents in the 2012 republican presidential ...

Perspective opponents in the 2012 republican presidential primary. she has so much potential that she can kind of wing it, although i do think that she is starting to build a little bit more of an infrastructure, nonetheless she doesn't need as much as an infrastructure to be able to raise money to be able to have the high name i. dvlt and be able to appeal for a wider swath of people than a tim pawlenty who's making all the right moves but just less known. >> maybe i can push your button with this one, cynthia, my pal. it doesn't bother you she's making zillions of dollars. how about this? as...