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Someone dressed in ku klux klan robes. it follows a string of recent hate incidents on campus. last august, a 40-year-old ex-soldier turned white supremacist rocker shot up a sikh temple in oak creek, wisconsin, killing six people. you remember that. a few weeks later, a group of georgia men were linked to an anti-government plot to assassinate president obama and it's all part of what the southern poverty law center says is a disturbing trend. a study says the number of anti-government groups are at an all time high, many driven by the fear the government will strip them of their rights but d...

Do the findings add up? "outfront" tonight, mark potoch is author of the report and senior fellow at the law center. john avlon is cnn contributor and author of "wing nuts, how the lunatic fringe is hijacking america" which is a suitable title for our discussion tonight. thanks to all of you. mark, let me start with you. you are the author of the report. it focuses on so-called patriot groups which you describe as conspiracy-minded anti-government and on the radical right. in 2012, you looked at 1360 so-called patriot groups on the radical right, an increase of 813% since 2008 right before pre...

I think that they're trying to walk a fine line that does not affective potential presidential candidacy that we expect. >> what do you suspect? >> i'd like to help lauren out here because i think it's obvious. it's not mysterious at all, what they're doing. this is kind of a continuation of clinton derangement syndrome. let's say it's berthaism. these wing nuts, these wing nuts, have been assailing our popular democratic presidents going back to bill clinton and now you have to win that trifecta. so now you have the current popular president, barack obama and the current future president, hil...

Democrats have their wing nuts too, but in our conference, yeah, there are people that respond. club for growth, heritage action, freedom works. >> this morning, the new york times wrote, the tea party's clout is diminished, it will have to turn to narrower issues. tea party supporters need to realize their so-called movement isn't grassroots at all. it's getting mowed down at the top, pun intended. you're an enlightened contrarian, do you believe the tea party is losing its steam so to speak? >> i do not. if you look at then tire debate in washington, it's constrained by the tea party premise...