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A tide was hard to swim against. he would give that speech, then go on tv. >> you had some amazing moments on tv those days. >> a lot of fights. i said wait, the post, the times is reporting, i would talk, did my reporting, i talked to nuclear scientists about the aluminum tubes and they would say that wasn't proven. you would be laughed at. >> it was a wise man's view. a serious man's view. >> media consensus, tell you one story. won't embarrass the person, it is someone we both know. he told me his opinion would be determined by what thomas friedman wrote, guy wrote for a major paper we see ...

Nuclear scientists about the aluminum tubes and they would say that wasn't proven. you would be laughed at. >> it was a wise man's view. a serious man's view. >> media consensus, tell you one story. won't embarrass the person, it is someone we both know. he told me his opinion would be determined by what thomas friedman wrote, guy wrote for a major paper we see all the time. there was a consensus that dominated. >> i remember people surrendering opinions to colin powell and influential columnists because it was such a tricky issue and the homework was massive. >> they didn't want to take the r...

That's the wise man's view. i also have to tell you that he have you and i talking right now. right now about theirif you haa from around the world trying to think of something to write about and talk about since most is scripted, right now the tea party is the only story in town. >> you know the reporters will zero in, especially if they are carrying signs and that sort of thing -- what do the reporters do, and what do the tea party members do to try to get their message across? >> what the tea party members do is they hold a lot of signs and they attract a lot of attention. they put a lot of...