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Right now is not about money and not about closing a budget shortfall, it is about implementing a conservative wish list that stretches back long before walker was elected. joining us now, jr ross with wispolitics.com. thanks for joining us. >> no problem. how you doing. >> so governor walker's argument is the public sector unions are to blame for the fiscal crisis, they have to be weakened. he has been pitted in a battle against these very same unions for a long time, if i understand correctly. >> yes. sorry. say that again. >> governor walker has been pitted in a battle with these very same ...

Political results will be if he has overreached or gauged properly sort of where the public is on this issue? >> if the debate is about public employee pay, pensions and healthcare, he wins that hands down. you ask any insider both sides, democrats and republicans tell you that the public is fed up with spending and pension and pay. they want to reign it in. you get to collective bargaining, that's a tougher issue. that's why you're seeing private unions come out and support the union forces. you're seeing firefighters come out and the police officials that wouldn't be covered by the proposal....

Up front. >> finally real quick, what the political results will be if he has overreached or gauged properly sort of where the public is on this issue? >> if the debate is about public employee pay, pensions and healthcare, he wins that hands down. you ask any insider both sides, democrats and republicans tell you that the public is fed up with spending and pension and pay. they want to reign it in. you get to collective bargaining, that's a tougher issue. that's why you're seeing private unions come out and support the union forces. you're seeing firefighters come out and the police officials...

Money wasting no bid contracts. in other words, company a says they will do it for $12, and it is sold to the only bidder. so what's going on in wisconsin right now is not about money and not about closing a budget shortfall, it is about implementing a conservative wish list that stretches back long before walker was elected. joining us now, jr ross with wispolitics.com. thanks for joining us. >> no problem. how you doing. >> so governor walker's argument is the public sector unions are to blame for the fiscal crisis, they have to be weakened. he has been pitted in a battle against these very ...

In other words, company a says they will do it for $12, and it is sold to the only bidder. so what's going on in wisconsin right now is not about money and not about closing a budget shortfall, it is about implementing a conservative wish list that stretches back long before walker was elected. joining us now, jr ross with wispolitics.com. thanks for joining us. >> no problem. how you doing. >> so governor walker's argument is the public sector unions are to blame for the fiscal crisis, they have to be weakened. he has been pitted in a battle against these very same unions for a long time, if ...