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progress. we're going talk to senator bernie sanders shortly. but we begin tonight with new reporting that paints a remarkable picture of just how much evidence federal investigators may have to show the former president obstructed justice in the mar-a-lago document case. it comes tonight from "the washington post." and the headline is stung. trump workers moved mar-a-lago boxes a day before fbi came for documents. new details including an alleged dress rehearsal for moving sensitive papers show a focus on donald trump's instructions and intent. now in a moment, we'll talk to legal a...

we bipartisanly passed the respect for marriage act. don't say we can't get along. years ago, i wrote with great consternation, but we've reauthorized it again, the violence against women act. the electoral reform act. folks, we did that in a bipartisan way, democrats and republicans did it. i don't know why they don't acknowledge any part of what's making the country again, but in addition, we passed the american rescue plan. the inflation reduction act, and the people sent a clear message. fighting for the sake of fighting gets us nowhere. there's things that -- we've got to get th...

Hostage, which is what the republicans are doing. >> what is extraordinary about what the republicans are doing, it is in such stark contrast to how they behaved under the former president in terms of the debt ceiling. >> absolutely. they raise the debt ceiling, if i recall correctly, three times under trump. and by the way, we raised -- we raised our national debt by something like $8 trillion over that period. but it's not just trump. we have done it with republicans. we've done wit democrats. that is what you do. and let's be clear. everybody should know this. this is not a budget issue. we...

Crumble, and i think it would be sustained. >> does the -- you know, there are democrats who believe that invoking that essentially is sort of absolving congress of what their responsibilities are, and that it should remain in congress. what about that argument? >> it's an argument. and i'm not here to tell you that i think the 14th amendment is a wonderful solution. it's about all that we have left. it is a better solution than the republican approach which says in their original proposal was a ten year program, proposal, which would have made massive cuts for the elderly, the children, the s...

That four in ten americans feel as though they are worse off financially. and here's the -- look, i don't blame the white house for going after this and using this. it's leerclearly resonating wit democrats. the problem, once people recognize what the president says about republicans cutting these entitlement programs when they realize that's not the case, then they're really going to be left in a lurch trying to find a message that actually works. because this is not a true argument for the democrats and republicans are going to work feverishly to make sure that american people understand rep...