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Haven't seen before. >> donald trump also committed two felonies. >> i'm willing to bet there is good evidence that trump had the requisite intent to commit this crime as well. nicole: but, are they rushing to judgment? ed: joining us to react speech writer for george w. bush ned ryun joins us. what about now you got people in the media saying i think the president it intent. why not wait for the facts. >> at some point we have to actually admit that what we are seeing with cohen and manafort has nothing to do with trump and everything to do with cohen and manafort's tax evasion and lying to p...

Against them now to get them to finally reveal the truth. >> a lot of this looks very bad circumstanti circumstantially. but i wonder what you make of what trump allies point to, that there was no speech given. that donald trump may have even shown some what our lawyers call rec wiz it intent but if he didn't get the goods to give the speech, then there wasn't an overt act. >> at this point we can spa speculate a lot of different directions about what happened but the reality is we don't know what happened in this meeting. we do know what it wasn't about. it wasn't a meeting that was exclusive...

How is the staff taking this appearance and the feeling these days? >> one of the most important comments was an aside the president made talking about how he may sit down with mueller but he didn't give a definitive answer. that reflects the conversations between the scenes between giuliani and the president. there's a real reluctance, of course, to have him sit down. they look at past special counsels and they realize whenever a president or any witness sits in front of a special counsel proper, if you say one lie, you're liable for prosecution. so they believe that if mueller is searching f...

Documents, there's no reason for the president's lawyers to put him in front of mueller to give him anything that would even lead into it intent. >> really important stuff on a night like tonight, and these were three terribly important guests for the top of our broadcast. jennifer rodgers, jeremy bash, robert costa, our thanks to all three of you. coming up for us, did anything in today's interview advance the trump agenda, or did he just open up more questions? john heilemann, kimberly atkins standing by to talk to us next. and later scott pruitt tries to defend himself but did the, as w...

Moment, whether the president had corrupt intent in his decisions, and he can't prove it with witness testimony or with documents, there's no reason for the president's lawyers to put him in front of mueller to give him anything that would even lead into it intent. >> really important stuff on a night like tonight, and these were three terribly important guests for the top of our broadcast. jennifer rodgers, jeremy bash, robert costa, our thanks to all three of you. coming up for us, did anything in today's interview advance the trump agenda, or did he just open up more questions? john heile...