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Charges. the doctor passes on some of those additional costs to everybody else and that raises everybody else's rates. >> mike: governor rendell that's a concern many have. it is a cost shift, let me commend you. in pennsylvania you have done something already expanding health care access to many people in pennsylvania and you've done it with the innovation of having co-pays and deductibles. that's the kind of medicaid reform that i personally think is the way it ought to go. this particular bill doesn't necessarily create that shared partnership. so you have more government money than individ...

And deductibles. that's the kind of medicaid reform that i personally think is the way it ought to go. this particular bill doesn't necessarily create that shared partnership. so you have more government money than individual money put in. why can't there be something like you're doing? >> governor you're absolutely right. there could have been more of that so everyone is listening is clear, right now states have to, by law, offer medicaid to people who are earn within00% of the poverty level or less -- earn 100% of the poverty level or less. this bill raises that to 133%. but, the federal gov...

Commend you. in pennsylvania you have done something already expanding health care access to many people in pennsylvania and you've done it with the innovation of having co-pays and deductibles. that's the kind of medicaid reform that i personally think is the way it ought to go. this particular bill doesn't necessarily create that shared partnership. so you have more government money than individual money put in. why can't there be something like you're doing? >> governor you're absolutely right. there could have been more of that so everyone is listening is clear, right now states have to, b...

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