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To force him. he cannot sort of pretend to be claiming executive privilege. only the president can do that. and the president has not done that. and as you pointed out, that would make him look guilty. so he doesn't want to do that. and sessions is just sort of pretending like, well, i have to protect my rights and not answer the questions, and that's wrong. that is just wrong. and if they were discussing anything that was criminal, which would include a false reason for firing comey, then he can't do it. that would be invalid. >> ken delainian, if you're mueller, if you're either one of the h...

>> ken delainian, if you're mueller, if you're either one of the hill committees, what does a conversation with cory lieu wn dousky get you? remind us all the way that spreads out in fragments over all these stories that have become central to the russia issue? >> right, brian. cory was the campaign manager fired in june. but he's maintained a relationship with the trump organization, and he's opened a rather successful lobbying operation in washington based on his access to donald trump and his people. so he knows a lot. now, we don't know exactly what they were talking about. we don't know w...