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Ambitions that go beyond the eastern region, that they want to go through the south. and maybe even through moldova. are those wolf tickets? can the russians actually follow through on that? >> i think it is unlikely. the russians will actually be able to sweep through they've already committed to taking, which is southeastern ukraine and moldova. i would guess that most americans have never even heard of moldova. it is a very small country. i've been there a couple of times. it would be a partner with nato, population of around two and a half million. tiny, very poor, generally aligned toward...

The owners will do is recognize it's time to put some teeth into the rooney rule and it's time to turn the page on many of these things you discussed. >> you know, when these things happen, almost instantly people say, well, we should boycott. or we should boycott the people who are advertising. things like that. what do you say to people who say, i'm tired of the nfl and their inaction, we should boycott x, y and z related to the nfl? >> i think we have to keep all tactics on the table. jonathan, i'm not one who sells wolf tickets. and i think sometimes empty threats about what we should do o...

Want it to yield. at the end of the offseason, we're going to push as hard as we can and i hope that push is going to be supported by advocates, the media, fans and others who are going to point strongly at the need for there to be change. so all options certainly are always on the table, but my approach has never to been to telegraph, sell wolf tickets, make empty threats f. we're going to do something substantial like that, we're going to be organized, we're going to be focused. at this point what i'm hoping is that if we have constructive discussions, and you saw from roger goodell an ackno...

-- it is like he wasn't aggressive or anything. >> the chilling thing you bring out about it, i saw your interview with him, seems like a regular guy, obviously he's got some issues. >> greta: really. >> but in this case, he's stealing $300 from the woman and just such depravity. >> greta: he's so money motivated. that was the set -up with the fbi trying to get money out of beth holloway. he will did anything for money. >> robbery they now believe is one of the reasons he had this poor woman in this room. i can tell you, i'm listening to, i heard the general who was in charge of the investigat...

-- it is like he wasn't aggressive or anything. >> the chilling thing you bring out about it, i saw your interview with him, seems like a regular guy, obviously he's got some issues. >> greta: really. >> but in this case, he's stealing $300 from the woman and just such depravity. >> greta: he's so money motivated. that was the set -up with the fbi trying to get money out of beth holloway. he will did anything for money. >> robbery they now believe is one of the reasons he had this poor woman in this room. i can tell you, i'm listening to, i heard the general who was in charge of the investigat...