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Possibly the senate next fall? >> to get to from this week, on tuesday you have the high water mark of the trump presidency to date after the successful passage of tax cuts and the trip to the college football championship. the president holds that a bipartisan meeting, this coming on the heels of that wolff book. and giving questions give-and-take. we say, okay, this is a good moment for the trump administration. may be best moment so far. in the span of two days, the message to the persuadable voters that you are talking about is, no, everything is chaotic. no, in fact we are having a horrib...

Immoral. they're insensitive. they undercut allies, important allies and so it's beyond the pail. but politically, if you are working inside the white house and your goal is to try to prove that this is a rational, sane president, this is not a president who has lost his step mentally, this is not a president in the early stages of dementia that can't control some of the things that he blurts out of his mouth, this comes at a particularly bad time, certainly following all the revelations of the wolff book. then john heilemann, finally, as these sort of statements are being paid, you can litera...

Steve bannon is way less powerful than you think he is, but he's telling you that all the time because he's constantly talking to you. >> listen, what's your response to the book and bannon being fired today or leaving breitbart, was this a grievous miscalculation, was this a death nell when it comes to the trump administration? >> you can't cross the president and his family, any president and expect to survive. what astonishes me not so much what was in the book but it was written in the first place. wolff is well-known character and he's not known as somebody -- so this is the sort of thing...

First year of the clinton's presidency and it is all the agenda. it was everything about what was going on inside the clinton's white house in the first year. there is always dysfunction but there is no crazy people and there is no question of competence among any of the people involved in that book. the methodology is the same and the people in the book is the same. the people in the wolff's book are something else. >> that's the way these books are written. in this case, he had people talking to him on the record, giving quotes that were damming about their boss, the president of the united ...

Narrative does ring true to a lot of people who cover this white house and this president. >> i think that's exactly right. i think it's unfortunate that mr. wolff is a sloppy reporter. i think the book has some sloppiness to it that could have been fixed just with copy editi editing, but i haven't spoken to anyone who disputes that the president is very disengaged and improverbial to the facts a lot of the time. >> with the staff in and out of the oval office, nobody really in charge, and that was also true during the campaign, is it possible this whole russia mess was something that they stu...