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Between 10 and 15 points ahead of donald trump. that is the ideal template i think for folks who are going to survive the donald trump effect in this election. >> anderson, if they wrap themselves around the policies that donald trump talked about, immigration, welfare reform, getting us back in line and not being a continuing to spin out of control, they could easily say look, i don't want agree with our nominee on everything but he's pointed out some key things that define where this country will go for the next four years. and those issues, they can easily embrace because when you put head-...

>> sure. >> joe biden's announcement he's not running, were you surprised? >> i think at one point he wanted to run. and then he undecided and then, you know, this is where he landed. it's probably a sensible decision for him. but it gives the nomination to hillary clinton for all practical purposes. >> on the other side of the aisle you have donald trump commanding lead. i don't think anybody other than maybe donald trump and his associates thought he was going to be doing this well for so long. do you think that he's likely to be the nominee? >> you have to doubt it. >> yeah. >> because the ...

Changed the definition and they will continue to do that because they are politicians. remember this, and this is what counts: it is about the raw numbers. they need to get people who didn't have insurance previously to buy insurance. this is the worst product launch ever. and these folks who they want to be paying customers to come in, including those whose insurance has been canceled, if they don't show up by the end of march, all of america has a problem. >> there is another topic about an approval rating in ohio. what does that mean? >> we let ohio, your home state, decide every election. ...

Not only in ohio, but nowhere else in the country. it is not by happenstance that they are targeting the very battleground states that they lost and had the previous plan been in place in 2012, governor romney would have received 12 of our electoral college votes, even though the president won ohio by over 166,000 votes. so we're going to keep fighting, ed. they're trying to steal the one woman, one man, one vote democratic idea in this democracy. but we're not going to relent. >> i really think this is all about concentrating and protecting the wealthy. your thoughts on that. >> not just that...

Else in the country. it is not by happenstance that they are targeting the very battleground states that they lost. and had the previous plan been in place in 2012, governor romney would have received 12 of our electoral college votes, even though the president won ohio by over 166,000 votes. so we're going to keep fighting, ed. they're trying to steal the one woman, one man, one vote democratic idea in this democracy. but we're not going to relent. >> i really think this is all about concentrating and protecting the wealthy. your thoughts on that. >> not just that, but to try to disenfranchis...