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The pace university school of law. shannon, i'd like to begin with you because you of all of us had the most recent conversation with rudolph giuliani. always a party. tell us what he said about things like manafort and the possibility of pardons. >> he said that essentially the president is not going to be pardoning anyone anytime soon. but it doesn't mean that he necessarily won't be taking -- won't be pardoning people eventually. giuliani said that the president's lawyers advised him back in april, so right when giuliani came on board, not to talk about or consider or issue any pardons unti...

These days a distinguished fellow in criminal justice at the pace university school of law. shannon, i'd like to begin with you because you of all of us had the most recent conversation with rudolph giuliani. always a party. tell us what he said about things like manafort and the possibility of pardons. >> he said that essentially the president is not going to be pardoning anyone anytime soon. but it doesn't mean that he necessarily won't be taking -- won't be pardoning people eventually. giuliani said that the president's lawyers advised him back in april, so right when giuliani came on board...

But it doesn't mean that he necessarily won't be taking -- won't be pardoning people eventually. giuliani said that the president's lawyers advised him back in april, so right when giuliani came on board, not to talk about or consider or issue any pardons until the investigation is over. so what the president said today when he said that there's a pardon for manafort still on the table, giuliani said that's in line with that, that the president doesn't plan to issue a pardon now but he'll consider it. it doesn't necessarily mean he will pardon him, but once this investigation is over he can ta...