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Existing exemption, is relatively small. if we get into a situation where the obama administration has to use this work-around for a much larger group of people, it may not work so well. i think that is why you heard the administration today say publicly and privately, they wanted congress to take a lead on this. congress obviously could pass a bill, pass a law, creating some kind of coverage for contraception separate from employer coverage for companies like hobby lobby. >> and ezra, we heard the first lady today make the reference to single payer and does this mean the supreme court's in fa...

And so, jonathan copy, when you stare at that, that's the deal in effect the obama administration worked out with churches and employers in a very clear religious-based employers who are opposed to providing contraception. but the deal means that the employees of churches are able to get contraception in their coverage. >> they are. i -- and it's quite possible that at the end of the day, two or three months from now, we will be talking about such an arrangement. a few cautionary notes though. first of all, when the obama administration implemented this they basically had to make a deal with t...

Turns out to be of more value later on when they're able to make some connections. >> republican kelly ayotte said in a statement she wants a full readout of the process and at what point ahmed khattala was read his rights and chose to remain silent. this is approved by the courts, holding a terrorism suspect at sea. but critics say that it's not a policy but essentially a work-around, simply to avoid those guantanamo campses, arthel. >> kathryn, thanks for that report. >> you're welcome. well, lois lerner's attorneys are firing back, saying the former irs official did, quote, everything she...

Know there's been some talk of this, but can you incentivize the pell grant program, for instance, to essentially make pell grants only eligible for students who go to universities that are basically have some serious cost controls, that aren't doing what we're watching here, which is using the -- using tuition as essentially a work-around to do just build new buildings? >> well, it's a really interesting thought. i'm a big believer in carrots rather than sticks, and incentives, so thinking through, again, how we incentivize states in how we reinvest, and how we incentivize universities to bui...

Whether the payment was right or wrong. and the insurance companies would argue it was not an over-payment. this has disaster written all over it. i say it as a former litigator. people just don't cut checks back on an over payment that was given to them. >> it is definitely a burden for the carriers. this is something they did not anticipate they would have to do. and so for the federal government to have the insurance carriers now really do this complicated work-around is really a burden on the carriers. >> and have the carriers do what the website cannot. and let me ask you this, there are ...