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I wasn't a fan. >> and the president didn't respond to follow-ups asking for more detail about what that falling out might have been. so the president separating himself from epstein, giving some support to acosta today. and we'll have to see where this goes. that's part of what the white house will be watching, how it plays politically for secretary acosta and how that reflects on the president. peter? >> contrast that with what the president said about epstein in 2002 telling the "new york" magazine among other things that epstein was a, quote, excellent guy. you can see the quotes there on ...

One of the biggest things that's part of the president's argument for re-election. the economy, jobs and so forth. the kind of position where he would want to have that secretary in the sunshine with him talking about various accomplishments or programs. and this makes that very difficult. with the secretary putting out his tweet, calling jeffrey epstein's offenses horrific and talking about new evidence. that perhaps will stop some of the bleeding, but democrats have an easy path here to call for this resignation. the president was also asked today about his own personal interactions with jef...

Berman yesterday. she writes, except the record shows he had the evidence in 2007. remember the 53-page indictment, the phone records, the trash pulls, the flight manifests, the witnesses who work forward epstein. is there new evidence? here he says that there is. >> i'll defer to julia on this. she's done masterful reporting on this throughout the story. doesn't seem as if there's nothing substantial just yet. acosta is mounting his own defense here. we're seeing a pr campaign. his tweets. we've seen others defend him. the president in the oval office backed him up. but again, if pressure con...