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It bright spots, talking about the opportunities of the tax bill, et cetera, et cetera. he actually is someone who's astute on policy, who tries to drill down and not deal in all of the verbiage that the president uses on a daily basis. i actually know jeron, and he's doing the best work hake do even if kellyanne conway doesn't know. you can slap a miracle whip sign-on the white house, there is no diversity on this white house line-up at all. and that just shows when he makes comments about nfl players and about anybody else he's not getting good counsel. and you said it at the top of the show...

Think she could remember his last name. his name is jeron smith, and we actually reached out to him to invite him on the program to tell us more about his work in the white house. he declined our invitation. but my question is did kellyanne conway did him a disservice by apparently not knowing his full name, not having a full grasp of what he does except the broad concept of prison reform? >> yes, she actually did do him a disservice, but jeron one of it bright spots, talking about the opportunities of the tax bill, et cetera, et cetera. he actually is someone who's astute on policy, who tries...