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Today by the way, that he needs to either rescind the opinion or appear for a meeting and produce the internal workings, the investigative work papers of his agency, so that cipillone can review whether they're being impartial with the implication he'll be fired if he doesn't prove to them to their satisfaction, which he can't because they've already drawn the conclusion that nothing should ever happen to kellyanne conway. >> gentlemen, our time is short. i appreciate that. others have been found in violation but they said because of her trampling over it more than one time or in the fashion s...

We can do that. we should be able to have a pathway that says if you are here in the shadows, we're going to create work papers so you can contribute to the economy in a lawful way. and we can enforce your employer and your status as well. none of those approaches have been done by this president. nor will they. because it doesn't feed into zeno phobia. >> when we complain undocumented workers don't pay taxes, their employers don'pay taxes either. >> right. >> if we implemented wage enforcement, that could actually drive wages higher. >> it could drive wages higher. it could help deal with our...

>> yes, they asked me about his business. and by the way, i have no idea what he did. and he may not have done anything and i could be wrong. >> you felt they were asking you more about potential crimes related to trump organization more than the trump campaign? >> that's what i felt, yeah. >> above all nunberg was adamant saying he would not comply with robert mueller's subpoena which was issue bade federal grand jury. they want e-mails, text messages, work papers, telephone logs and other documents going back to 1, 2015. it covers all communications and other materials indicating president t...

E-mails, work papers, telephone logs and other documents going back as far as november 1st, 2015. less than five months after then candidate trump first launched his campaign. here is more of what former trump campaign aide sam nunberg told katy tur a few minutes ago. >> i was preparing it, should i spend 50 hours going over all of my e-mails with roger and with steve bannon? and then they wanted e-mails that hi with hope hicks, with cory lewandowski. are you giving me a break? it is ridiculous. >> nbc news intelligence national security reporter ken delaneya and katy tur and john harwood is w...

Carlie is a big start here. and mike gunzelman. what is going on here, guns? not work something. >> a combination of two things. one, there's lesser jobs because shopping malls are all by falling apart and nonexistent anymore. i used to work at the malls. i was a lifeguard. got help us. >> neil: oh, my god. >> and i used to put sunglasses on and fall asleep. and for kids these days, there's the entitlement mentality. the parents are babying them so much they don't have to go to work. >> i agree. there's a work ethic going on. people -- when i was young, i wanted the job. i was 15. i got my fir...