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>> chris: you say this is not about the unions. this is about balancing the budget but the opposition says this is about union busting. so let's take a look at what is in your plan. because beyond making public workers pay more for benefits. it would allow unions to negotiate only over wages, not benefits or work rules. state would no longer collect union dues and unions would have to win an election every year to keep representing workers. isn't that union busting? >> no, absolutely not. our believe is that we will ask more for a healthcare and pension contribution which is by the way a very ...

About the unions, this is about balancing the budget. but, your opposition says this is about union busting and let's look at what is in your plan. because, beyond making public workers pay more for benefits here's what your plan would do. it would allow unions to negotiate only over wages, not benefits, or work rules, and the state would no longer collect union dues and unions would have to win an election every year, to keep representing workers. isn't that union busting? >> no. absolutely not. our belief is we will ask more for health care and more for pension contribution which is, by the ...

But desperate times call for desperate measures. >> we got a news report late this afternoon which is friday on the east coast, that if the governor will go along with keeping the employees recognized, still organize the state, negotiate work rules and other issues that the union will concede on these pension and health care issues. what do you think of that proposal? >> well, i think that's a good olive branch and i hope the governor is listening. the reason we took off is because the governor and the republican party were not listening to us.kogs. what we did is make sure they would haven't ...

Like a desperate time. but desperate times call for desperate measures. >> well, let me ask you about a thing. we got a news report late this afternoon, which is friday on the east coast that there's an idea out there proposed by the head of the public employees union that if the governor will go along with keeping the employee unions recognized, still organized, the state still able to negotiate work rules and other issues that the union will concede on these pension and health care issues. what do you think of that proposal? >> well, i think that's a good olive branch. and i hope that the go...

Protection. we're the strongest in the country. we need the flexibility. unfortunately over the course of the past 20 years they have shown until we got to this point they have never been willing to have any meaningful compromise to help with work rules and our expanded costs. the time is now. 19 states already do not allow public employees to bargain yet they still have vacations, they have pensions, they have good health care. there's no doubt about it. we can do that here. we don't need the union with every single bargaining right in order to do it. >> the state senator out there the democr...