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Crimes investigation as to which mueller has a work stream and southern district of new york has a work stream, they share. there's sharing of prosecutors so i expect they would be coordinating if they both have work streams that touch on trump organization and financial -- >> both part of the justice department and report up the chain of command of justice department and presumably working in tandem. let's not forget the mueller special investigator, he referred all of the michael cohen stuff to the southern district of new york. >> that's right. what we don't know is what was mueller looking...

They've already questioned comey? you hear one story from the white house, that they thought the investigation would wrap up in the fall or early part of the year. comey has been spoken to. we now know that the attorney general has been spoken to. what does that tell you about the speed and breadth of the investigation? >> it tells you that the work stream that mueller has that relates to obstruction of justice seems pretty far ang along. there are other witnesses to speak to, for sure, but because -- sessions has a broader mandate for mueller because he's got papado pochlt ulos and the other ...

Campaign. you have a lot of conjecture with what we've done, but we're getting close to the end. we feel confident as the end approaches there's going to be no demonstration of any inclusion. >> michael, is this the beginning of the end? >> no i don't think so. maybe the end of the beginning. i think there are three broad areas mueller's got. one is financial crime generally. manafort represented the first step in that. you have manafort representing step one. probably flynn in step two. then they're going to look at the trump business empire and the kushner business empire and cohen. i think ...

Justice. that's the only work stream. that's why the guys are relevant. then you have the broader conspiracy to interfere with the federal election and the conspiracy to acquire and disseminate stolen base, that's and anayltica stuff and roger stone stuff. and the peter smith stuff and all that stuff that still hasn't been clearly analyzed in mueller's sort of determination about whether or not a crime has been committed. so i think that's wishful thinking, and maybe on the pure simple collusion point maybe they are closer. >> alice, do you see it toward -- >> i think we are beginning to scrat...

That the president is under investigation, do you think that mule oth mueller, at some point, even before the investigation wraps up, look, the investigation is ongoing, but the president isn't a target of the investigation. >> probably, if it was determined that there was no collusion that involved the president personally. >> or obstruction of justice. >> other obstruction of justice, there is no reason why he couldn't do that. there's no with four, five work streams that he's undertaking, there's no way why he can't say this work stream is tied up, we're done with, but we're still working o...