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Having a conversation about 11 million undocumented workers years later. i think you've got to reverse it and begin with enforcement first before you get to amnesty. i would not support the goal in the present form. i do like what it does with regard to high-tech workers and i think we probably need to have more of a conversation on low-tech workers and against worker programs. >> all right. mike sanford, thank you so much. good luck tonight. >> thank you, mark. >> thank you, as well. you're going to be looking, of course, your column in the washington post. in syria, that arm wrestling contes...

Border, border security first before these other provisions ca kick in and there ought to be verifiable metrics about what constitutes operational control. the president did not have a similar emphasis. the question is are we going to have border security first. second the gang of 8 democrat and republican said we are in favor of robust worker programs. president obama's remarks in las vegas did not mention the guest worker program at all. in 2007 he voted for the union backed amendments to get the guest worker program that helped contribute to immigration reform. the third issue, and this is ...

Easier, concentrating on the more serious offense? >>guest: it will be the opposite. we put tens of billions into securing the border and you have created a giant incentive for more to come across. >>alisyn: highway do you argue it is logical to deport 12 million or so illegal immigrants who are here? it is not practical. >>guest: well, that is a false choice. it is never the option between doing nothing or deporting everyone. go back and do what new york did, the broken windows theory. if you enforce the law you create a culture of compliance. if you have border security you enforce the law. ...

Illegal immigrants and seeking illegal jobs offered by illegal employers is against worker programs. that defies the most tortured possibilities in logic. and we have a president now who is doing the same thing. and the national compliant betting national media is playing along with it instead of applying critical judgment. megyn: i want to make one more point. morton has said in defense of his original comments which we reported on here on "america live," and he doubled down on this last week, what i meant to say is we had to focus on the criminal illegal aliens who are here. last week they i...

Most socialist countries in europe are trying to back away from the programs. the nationalized healthcare plans, the rich worker programs they've instituted. the swedes have started to bring in more private sector reforms to kind of mitigate the negative aspects of a gigantic federal spending about bureaucracy. we're going the opposite direction. it's counter-intuitive. >> neil: the administration will argue the trend is their friends. the economic numbers, the markets of late. >> i listened to your guests, the markets you are reacting net actively. you're not a person this congress admires or...