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Of the gang of 8 and the president's proposal on the purpo surface they seem similar. what do you think in the details could bog the process down? >> a lot could. this is a very complex issue having been involved in the previous effort and immigration reform. there are so many things that impact other things. it is very complicated. if you look at it there's four big areas of potential disagreement here. the gang of 8 said we democrats republicans believe there ought to be operational control of the border, border security first before these other provisions ca kick in and there ought to be ve...

With the mexico and they seem to work in san diego. >> fences work and go ahead with that but combine it with other reforms. we need workers and have worker programs. we did it in the past. we need high-tech people. expand the visas and make sure that people obeying rules get through the system quickly instead of dragging on as the bureaucracy does today. with mexico, why isn't the country growing like india, china and others are growing? give advice to them so people have less incentive to cross the border. put it all together. >> david: not just the fence but the fence and the other things t...