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A survey suggests that one in ten of those working in the uk's games industry are from black, asian or minority ethnic backgrounds. that is higher than the national working average and above that in the creative industries overall. so why are so many people creating their own games? when it comes to diversifying the industry, there is always a big focus on getting more people in. but the most important thing is training and development and retention. so i think if we actually improve those programmes within games companies we can definitely get more diverse people to stay, and also rise up the...

Medicare. what about that mentality? it's not the can do 1950s anymore. should that be taken into account? >> as you know we disagree on this because i don't think it has anything to do with the can do mentality. i think we have an economy with not enough jobs. there are people who a, can't get a job and so they need help from the government and b there are people who are, woulding jobs and still need help from the government. >> government policies inhibited job creation and athens been proven. look, obamacare, sliced the number from 40 to 29. working average and a lot of small businesses. it...

What about that do 1950s anymore. should that be taken into account? >> as you know we disagree on this because i don't think it has anything to do with the can do mentality. i think we have an economy with not enough jobs. there are people who a, can't get a job and so they need help from the government and b there are people who are, woulding jobs and still need help from the government. >> government policies inhibited job creation and athens been proven. look, obamacare, sliced the number from 40 to 29. working average and a lot of small businesses. it restrained hiring. all the regulation...