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>> hasn't happened, week after book, stays on top of the pol underneath all that kind of bravado and bombast there is something that appeals to the white working class base of the republican party that the establishment wing has not been able to do? >> absolutely. >> he has this combination of economic grievance and nativism and it's working. what does the party have to do to that. >> there is nothing new on that. beating on immigrants is the oldest game in the book. bernie sanders world everything is skew to the billionaire. donald trump's world illegal immigrant is going to rape your wife an...

>> it's the complete and utter con temp of republican voters toward the establishment of the republican party in the political leadership of the country. increasingly what you see also is now a severability between conservativism, which is defined as huge selections of the republican electorate as rhetoric emotion. the more incendiary the rhetoric, the more conservative you are. the test of true conservativism is fidelity to the person that has the most incendiary rhetoric. so, at a time of great cultural transition, change in the country, economic dislocation with globalization, with a blue c...

And trump on top? >> it's the complete and utter con temp of republican voters toward the establishment of the republican party in the political leadership of the country. increasingly what you see also is now a severability between conservativism, which is defined as huge selections of the republican electorate as rhetoric emotion. the more incendiary the rhetoric, the more conservative you are. the test of true conservativism is fidelity to the person that has the most incendiary rhetoric. so, at a time of great cultural transition, change in the country, economic dislocation with globalizat...

Weeks after that the runoff, you need people to go out to the poms as well. >> there's that tension, i remembered it a couple years ago. an issue here. hopefully we got it the ground zero mosque and the height of the controversy over that. mayor bloomberg gave a very moving speech about it where he said any group should have a right to build this. and i remember, the contrast between weiner and this emage he had nationally, he would say anything, fear of nothing, raving on the house floor. when that issue came up he ducked it and he wouldn't talk about it or say anything publicly. it showed so...

Around the president, i won't characterize who they are, people you talked to, they have re re readily said this is about a culture war, right? >> they have been pretty blunt. on certain issues where it's hard to get an answer, this is an area where people close to him are candid. and they say, this is his idea of a culture war issue. he doesn't focus on social issues. but he focuses on issues that can galvanize his white working class base again. it's unusual to hear it so bluntly. but they're candid that's where his head is. he thinks this is where the people who have been with him want to b...