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Quiet that maybe even only mice can hear him and yet. >> come on. >> he's coming in -- he's tied, he's talking to people. look how close they are to him. they can't hear him. >> gene, it's so fascinating. i talk about sitting at dinner tables, people talking about politics. i can tell you, i know a lot of professionals, some doctors that will talk about candidates, but the one candidate, it's not their first sois e choice, always the second choice, not like that ben carson guy, it's fascinating to me. >> there was a recent poll that showed, asked the question of republicans in iowa, who could ...

Joe, and you were talking about barnical. >> that is paraphrasing. you can't expect a girl to go with you to the prom if you keep calling her ugly. that's what immigrants, particularly hispanic americans and undocumented immigrants in this country think when they hear republicans talk about immigration. >> walter, last word. >> when you talk about mr. ramos being cut off and argued with at the press conference, it was worse than that. it was a typical donald trump thing where he had body guards bullying body guards, grabbed the guy and throw him out. that just became symbolic, both of the bull...

Fight and trump wins the right wing primary basically, beats all the other guys like huckabee and he's left standing to go against bush look out bush. >> you think that bush -- >> wow. >> -- would be the established candidate? >> i don't think it would hurt his standing. i like kasich i think he's the real deal. working class guy. >> you lost them both. >> i think i have but he's moving up quick. he may make it to the debate. i think he surprises everybody. the cinderella kid. because he's got the working class roots and i.d. when he takes on a big money guy like trump, wait a minute, i am the...

Background as the son of a mailman. it was a bit rambling. he didn't use notes or a teleprompter. so we had classic john kasich up there, but different in tone than from other people. >> let me ask you about the crowd reaction. he didn't give them red meat. he didn't blast obama. he didn't blast the political world. he seemed to be saying here's my personal story of a working class guy who had tragedies in his life, lost his parents. and he seemed to be talking about his uncle george, his uncle steve, guys who fought in the war. it was great storytelling. sounds like my family to some extent. ...

Developmentally disabled. he says that comes from his own background as the son of a mailman. it was a bit rambling. he didn't use notes or a teleprompter. so we had classic john kasich up there, but different in tone than from other people. >> let me ask you about the crowd reaction. he didn't give them red meat. he didn't blast obama. he didn't blast the political world. he seemed to be saying here's my personal story of a working class guy who had tragedies in his life lost his parents. and he seemed to be talking about his uncle george his uncle steve, guys who fought in the war. it was gr...