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Up with it or not, but you hear all of this nonsense in the campaign trail when they try to frame things a certain way. romney had a great line there, it said, if you want to know whether the economy is doing better or not, ask your neighbor. you want to know if the economy is doing better or not, ask the guy that owns the small business down the street. it's a variation of ronald reagan's are you better off today than you were four years ago. and i think romney should -- i think politically, he should stick with that theme instead of getting too far down in the weeds. is the economy better no...

Sleeves and get in your face. >> i think is is a fascinating it -- >> i say the economy is what he needs to say, even though i disagree. that's his argument. >> he's not that kind of guy. >> it's a contrary one politically. if you look at three elements of the rescue, there are things the federal reserve did but you look at the three elements of the rescue, the auto bailout, there was t.a.r.p. which they were, you know, passed under george w. bush, but remember -- >> supported by romney. governor romney supported the and executed by bush. >> and then the recovery act. >> you're already soundin...

Time -- he was the governor of a state, barely talks about it. doesn't want to talk that much about mitt romney. he wants to talk about unemployment is high, the economy in bad shape an that guy's fault. >> his goal is strange, but it's probably just stay out of the way. not even tear down obama. >> stay out of the way and point at obama. >> exactly. and what the president wants to do and that campaign wants to say, this isn't a thumb's up or thumb's down referendum. if you vote against me you're going to get some other vision and it actually could be much, much worse. i happen to agree with t...

This, while you may have prescriptions that are ideological, again, this is a very, very important book to read and let's continue the discussion. >> the book "twilight -- >> he was about to tell me i was an idiot. go ahead. >> no. i agree. what you mentioned, i use the term social distance in the book. the founders were worried about social distance, right. they were rebelling against a king literally an ocean away. what they wanted was a representative to be close to people and we feel a pro found social distance from the people at the top of social pyramids. >> charles murray another guy wh...

Welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful shot of new york city coming in, of course -- >> it is pretty. >> from schenectady. >> got a plane taking off, taking off anywhere but new york city. they want to retire. that's why we brought in with us managing editor of "fortune" magazine, andy serwer. >> that's a cheesy transition. >> i majored in cheesy transition at university of alabama. here with the magazine's issue featuring "fortune's" 2012 list of the best places. i'm a florida guy. everybody retires in florida. "fortune's" like you guys dissed my home state. let's talk about if i want to ...