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Security, the type we're going to have to make moving forward, whoever is elect the president if we're going to save social security, save medicare, save medicaid, if we're going to scale back our defense spending and if we're going to prevent the united states from turning into another greece. you've got to make compromises when you're in power. that was jeb's point. these people calling jeb a liberal or moderate, don't have any idea of what they're talking about. >> wishful thinking. >> wishful thinking by the left. >> yeah. greg shirley is a great guy and i think we disagree a bit on this o...

Social mobility. in those 30 years, we talk about the inequality side, but we're actually seeing data that shows it is harder now than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago to start at the bottom and work your way to the top. >> underline that point and i say it here all the time, my dad started as a working class guy, always republican because he knew he could work his butt off, work around the clock, and there was a better life for his kids. and that's going away for a lot of people. >> how are those connected though? if it's more -- more of ameritocracy why less mobility? >> because it's become a clu...

Coming to america to be a democrat or republican. they come here to be americans. the party's been abusive. >> greta: are you more republican or democrat, as an independent? >> i think when it comes to spending money, i am conservative. i think when it comes to taking care of children and the elderly, i am more liberal. but i don't believe in either party. i really don't. >> greta: so you are a radical? maybe that's not the right word? i take that back. >> yeah. i think, i am like a lot of people i. to look at the person and say, are they going to do a good job? i am running against somebody w...

Think about this? >> i would say the populist stuff doesn't work, but it works with biden because biden, he feels it. working class guy. he feels it. by the way, you look at all of these millionaires that run our country and then you look at his taxes every year, he's -- you know, he hasn't cashed in. >> he feels it. he understands it. he lives it. he's vice president of the united states. he has secret service protection, and he's still joe biden from scranton, pennsylvania. we hear ripples there's animosity or anger towards the vice president on -- >> i don't believe so that. >> i can't beli...

You could tell when the time was good and when it was bad. this vulnerable working class guy, is he taking this and saying i'm not going to be working for this guy? >> david axelrod thinks so. that's only half of the argument. they will say this is what romney would do in the future, him to the paul ryan budget. romney is not well defined. the reason their going aggress aggressive aggressively, and they're doing it on the cheap, it's crazy to think they would waste the money. >> why not just run the old kennedy and gingrich ad. >> the interesting thing about the newt gingrich attack is it gave...