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Democracy is not in peril because we're still going to keep voting. >> yes, that's a wonderful point. both historically and in the contemporary world you can have a kind of degradation where elections cease to become a legitimating principle, slowly, slowly become something like a ritual. and it's very hard to know just exactly what point your country stopped being a democracy. historically this has been true. there are contemporary cases where this is true. like, for example, russia. russians had a couple of free elections and then from a certain point, they were no longer free. hungarians ha...

Right all the time, you can't really have democracy and history teaches you that. but i think there's another point which has to do with the future. much as it's right for you and i to be talking about the scenarios by which this can all unravel, it's also very important to make the point that a working democracy is going to deliver a much better future. it's going to represent us. it's going to deal with the problems that are ahead of us. it's going to make sure that this country continues. it's going to create a better life for our children, grandchildren. there's a very positive story to be...

It is very hard to imagine anything but 2024 being a step change of more broken and more illegitimate and more likely to be a constitutional crisis than anything we have experienced, frankly, since 1876. >> wow. all right, ian, thanks for that. or not. but we appreciate your honesty, candor and analysis. ian bremmer, the host of gzero world on pbs. we're just getting started. straight ahead, senator alex padilla joins me to discuss the future of president biden's big agenda and defending america's democracy. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning. sunday, 9:00 a.m. on the ...

Exercise their right to vote, the freedom to vote act. if the biden administration can focus on those three things, voting rights, build back better, as well as getting this pandemic under control, we do have a strong chance of maintaining a slim majority in congress and then therefore we have a better chance of saving democracy by not having donald trump elected in four years. >> so, jennifer, you're not on the other side of this equation, but i read enough of your stuff, you share a deep concern in the nature in which we have to deal with the threat to democracy. how do you see that fitting ...

Voting rights matter more than anything else right now because without them, you got nothing. >> i think what activists are looking for, what they have been pleading for is a very definitive statement. i do not want the filibuster to stand in the way of voting rights. we need to figure out a way around it, through it, beside it, but democracy cannot be defeated because of a minority uses a senate rule to block voting rights reform. that's un-american, that's unacceptable. and i think it does come down to those two people. and the question is how to turn up the heat on the two of them so that t...