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Some of the fact checking. >> well, matt whitaker, i don't know matt whitaker. >> i can tell you matt whitaker is a great guy. i mean, i know matt whitaker. >> some other people that know matt whitaker join me right now. shelby holiday, the author of the story. tony schwartz ceo and co-author of "the way we're working isn't working" and john flannery. good evening. we have a lot going on. i'm going to do it like this -- shelby, what are we learning? john, what are the legal john, what are the legal implications? and, tony, what itself going through trump's mind, a mind you know well. >> today ...

The russia probe. but let's let someone else do some of the fact checking. >> well, matt whitaker, i don't know matt whitaker. >> i can tell you matt whitaker is a great guy. i mean, i know matt whitaker. >> some other people that know matt whitaker join me right now. tony schwartz ceo and co-author of "the way we're working isn't working" and john flannery. good evening. we have a lot going on. ly do it like this. shelby, what are we learn something john what are the legal implication and tony, what itself going through trump's mind, a mind you know well. >> today the "wall street journal" is...

Is better than it was 50 years ago, 30 years ago, or even ten years ago. >> if so many things are looking up, our state of mind question tonight why do so many people feel so down? we turn to tony schwartz. ceo of the energy project, coauthor of the art of the deal and the author of the way we're working isn't working. you use the word survive. that is something that's clearly out there right now. well, a constitutional democracy, as we know it, will it survive. will multicultural pluralism as many americans felt we were building survive this political era? how do we survive day-to-day with a ...

Down puerto rico's struggle. >> if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina, and you look at the tremendous, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here with really a storm that was just totally overpowering, nobody's ever seen anything like this, what is your death count as of this moment? 16 people. 16 people versus in the thousands. >> well, today we can tell you, we are in the thousands. now at the time that was of course a different type of statement than lying about the electoral college, but if it feels like a blizzard of different level...

I'm joined now by tony schwartz, the ceo of the energy project and the best-selling author of "the way we're working isn't working." thanks for being here. >> the appropriate title for the moment. >> for the moment. people seem to think the way to deal with him is to give him something so he'll leave you alone. why is that wrong? >> because he doesn't operate logically or rationally, and that is a logical or rational response. he operates from emotion, he operates from the gut. you could tell today in the note that he wrote to kim jong-un that he clearly dictated himself that he was operating ...