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Is it -- is this a trump characteristic? that he only cares about getting a deal and he that he doesn't seem to care at all about the contents of it? >> well, chris compared it to a real estate deal in atlantic city. with real estate deals in atlantic city at least trump had some idea, some working knowledge of the details and cared about how it turned out. >> and then they all failed. didn't his atlantic city businesses go down in flames? >> fair enough. let's not give him too much credit. but i think the reality is here joy you earlier in the show teased a segment on the kind of legislative ...

There are policy affects that they seem to have absolutely no investment in either way. >> mckay, the only thing they seemed to care about was not letting bit called trumpcare which is why everyone calls it trumpcare. but it is weird that the president made a big deal of this on the campaign trail. he was just in kentucky making a big deal about repeal and replace. is it -- is this a trump characteristic? that he only cares about getting a deal and he that he doesn't seem to care at all about the contents of it? >> well, chris compared it to a real estate deal in atlantic city. with real estat...

Nomination to say that he has serious concerns about tillerson's moral clarity. about his potential conflicts of interest. do you share those concerns? >> i have no reason to have concerns one way or another. senator rubio called me over the weekend, and when he was hearing that this might be a possibility and shared those. but look, i don't know how any of us necessarily would have any knowledge about what his views are. so we're going to have hearings. look, as you look at somebody like him who is the ceo of exxon, a major global enterprise with 70,000 employees. the state department, by the...

Do you have any indication? >> i think the has a relationship that stretches back some decades with russia and some years with putin. putin was there when tillerson signed $500 billion deal to explore for oil and gas in various parts of russia including in its arctic. putin pinned the medal of friendship on his chest. but because he has a working knowledge of russia. just because he's done business in russia doesn't exclude you from holding the high office of secretary of state. in fact, trump thinks it is an advantage that he has personal relationships, not just with the russians but others a...

Christian bjerk and elijah stai came wrapped, stamped, and delivered right to spofford's door. >> he had a fairly good working knowledge of the substances, the potency of the substances, and what dosage units would be common for typical user amounts. >> what spofford didn't know was he was getting ripped off in a crime that would set off a deadly chain of events. one of his customers, adam budge, had broken into spofford's home and stolen a bag of white powder. without knowing exactly what was inside that bag or just how potent it was. budge melted the powder into chocolate that he gave to his...