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Ghosh. sue, i'll start with you. how you expect the talks to proceed considering the major divide on the national security team. i mean, how have lower level talks gone in the past? >> bobby? you want to take that question? >> yeah. well, there's not been a consistent pattern established. after the meeting in singapore, there was a communication between lower level officials from secretary of state level downwards. but those never actually got anywhere. the north koreans were offended or claim they were offended by pompeo and the discussions sort of stalled there. they openly criticized pompeo...

Earth, and it only feeds into his terror further for human rights violations in his country. >> there is no doubt he is one of, if not the most repressive leader on the planet. so, ned, do you think after this, after this gift, some say, to kim, will the next set of talks be anyex different than t last tries? >> i mean, we're going to have to find out, jo. this is oneou of those things where i think trump, again, he's not going down the path of the more traditional diplomacy that the obama and bush and even clintonsh administrations went down. obviously, he is trying to solve a problem that th...

The dmz. i am sure the papers would like to get the handshake on their front pages. but what about the coverage? what do you expect the headline will be from this moment in the dmz? >> i hope it will just be the event itself. the historic hand shake. this moment in which there is at least the possibility to unfreeze what has how since hanoi a fairly frozen relationship at the working level. we don't know if north korea will ever be willing to denuclearize. we haven't heard a word since that demand was first made. i think donald trump himself has become more realistic about the possibility.

call me maybe, i'll be in the area. let's meet at the dmz. this is emblematic of trump's diplomacy. sometimes it works. with north korea he has had some success in getting kim jong-un to this point. the next level of this is really getting some sort of deal. this is where the trump administration has fallen flat in their first two attempts. i think what they really need to focus on right now are hammering out at a working level some of the details and then teeing that up for the presidents. >> shannon: in hanoi a lot of people we were covering, a different time there and when they walked aw...

Possible. even though the leadership is saying we don't want war. at the working level, it seems like they aren't totally quitting it when it comes to what they're saying about the possibility of conflict. >> there are hawks on both sides who would like to see that happen. kelly, we know you'll stay on that, thanks very much. p good news for president trump's former campaign manager, paul manafort, he won't be going to new york city's most notorious prison thanks to an unusual move by the justice department. who intervened in a rescue from rikers. (burke) at farmers insurance, we've seen almo...