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Going up. >> jesse: less than lower premiums? >> dana: unless doctors are taking those patients. on some of the obamacare plans -- not my own personal story but somebody that i know. they are independent business owners, that the buy on the obamacare market. they have a back condition. there's not a doctor on the island of manhattan who will see him. they had to take a day off of work, go to the bronx. triple the money. the deductibles aren't there. it's not like it's working purposely. even hillary clinton said i'll have to figure out how to fix this if i am elected. >> juan: that's what i'm ...

Premiums -- kennedy said going up but not at the rate they were going up. >> jesse: less than lower premiums? >> dana: unless doctors are taking those patients. on some of the obamacare plans -- not my own personal story but somebody that i know. they are independent business owners, that the buy on the obamacare market. they have a back condition. there's not a doctor on the island of manhattan who will see him. they had to take a day off of work, go to the bronx. triple the money. the deductibles aren't there. it's not like it's working purposely. even hillary clinton said i'll have to figur...