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Testing process. >> right. in fact, one of the things that -- anyone who ships a large technology project recognizes that you have to get through a lot of failure to get to a working system. >> and it's the process of failure and feedback that makes a system work. >> that's exactly right. so what they did in a way, they saved up all the failure more after the public launch. >> that's really important. >> and the real managerial failure, the thing that finally made me blow my stack, as i did the other day, was recognizing that on october 1st, when obama was going to go out to the public to talk...

Low and having that be the approached to a balanced approach to the deficit. that popularity of the idea that he is traveling around the country talking about. the popularity, the positive polling numbers for what he is talking about around the country is one of the two big advantages that president obama has here. the other is sort of as yet unexplored territory. when it comes to this type of campaigning, to asking the public to get involved in a policy issue, this president has an advantage that we don't really know how it is going to play out. this president, more than any other president a...

Low and having that be the approached to a balanced approach to the deficit. that popularity of the idea that he is traveling around the country talking about. the popularity, the positive polling numbers for what he is talking about around the country is one of the two big advantages that president obama has here. the other is sort of as yet unexplored territory. when it comes to this type of campaigning, to asking the public to get involved in a policy issue, this president has an advantage that we don't really know how it is going to play out. this president, more than any other president a...

Approached to a balanced approach to the deficit. that popularity of the idea that he is traveling around the country talking about. the popularity, the positive polling numbers for what he is talking about around the country is one of the two big advantages that president obama has here. the other is sort of as yet unexplored territory. when it comes to this type of campaigning, to asking the public to get involved in a policy issue, this president has an advantage that we don't really know how it is going to play out. this president, more than any other president and candidate in america his...

Essentially -- >> this. >> i think we all agree with that. i think that's the one thing you ever hear if you report on immigration from both sides, current system is broken. a lot of people come across through nonlegal mean. a lot of people here are not document and we have to deal with it. so in 1986 there was amnesty. now there's a discussion how do we bring them out from the shadows, et cetera. the question is what is actually a working system look like going forward and that's something you thought a lot about. >> let me give this context. so the president's directive last friday was the m...