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Unfortunately, it's unfortunate that these ruling came down tonight. >> we should note that some of the court met in person, although several people were arguing to strike it down, tested positive, it seems positive -- it seems interesting, that's a workplace issue. you probably would want them in the court with you. they some of them chose to report remotely. there are some issues with testing and maxing specifically. to regulate the spread of covid in the closet they are? >> i think the fact that you looked at the omicron numbers are so high right now, we're making a decision based on not ha...

Idea that the government can't even play a role in trying to make sure people aren't actively contagious, totally separate from vaccination debates, which i do think for some people can touch on deeper personal measures, is just wild to use -- >> there's also -- >> go ahead. >> they also make this wild point that it's not specifically a workplace issue because covid is prevalent in other places, which is just an astonishing argument. because not only are all -- i can think of very few workplace hazards that are only specific to workplaces. but most other places, you know, besides school where ...

But also in that case, the conservatives are expressing skepticism about -- essentially what they're saying is covid is not just a workplace issue. it's a thing that affects everybody. so is the workplace mandate the right solution here? >> ken, get out of that wind. get out of these weird conditions. thank you, sir. appreciate it. let me bring in sarona hoffman from case western university. i know you've been following the arguments as well. our reporter there, ken, is that the sense you got here, that there's a bit more skepticism from the conservatives including john roberts who is sort of ...

Court's decision if they helped us with some of those staffing shortages and they all just got regular jobs. that would be fire. if the supreme court -- they don't even have to go in and breathe on each other right now. if the supreme court, all those members worked at an orange julius for a couple months, worked at a mcdonald's, or just something in the public where they could see, you know, whether or not it's a workplace issue, because they seem to think it's not, while also zooming in for decisions like these. >> hearings, right? before i go, i have one more for you, josh. it turns out vac...

>> i mean, obviously there are staffing shortages. i think that i would be more than okay with the supreme court's decision if they helped us with some of those staffing shortages and they all just got regular jobs. that would be fire. if the supreme court -- they don't even have to go in and breathe on each other right now. if the supreme court, all those members worked at an orange julius a couple months or a mcdonald's, something in the public where they could see, you know, whether or not it's a workplace issue, because they seem to think it's not, while also zooming in for decisions like ...