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To try and have something that passes for thoughtful discourses because it gets passed around. there are people out there in the middle who are willing in this case for instance to say maybe charles cope isn't the person that i've heard he was. maybe tucker carlson -- i'm going to get killed tonight. >> tucker: he is. he's definitely the menu think he he is. [laughter] >> i don't mind. to me, it's not a problem because i'm a public figure running a public charity. i can take a public platform and turn this kind of nonsense into what might be a thoughtful back thoughtful back-and-forth that mig...