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Thoughtful way. this war always looked like to me an invasion of another country that never attacked us, using our force, forcing the people to do what we wanted them to do for many years. i considered aggressive action. the american people didn't like it. i think there's more to this than just the data. i think it gets down to values. what are your thoughts? >> chris, i couldn't agree with you more. i believe that 100% and said that before we invided iraq. that's the starting point for everything going so haywire. i think it was a world class disaster for the united states, not to mention ira...

Cost the u.s. more than four trillion when you take in the long-term care, for example, for all of the wounded soldiers and impact on the american deficits. it's just been an immense tragedy and a world class disaster, i think, no matter how you look at it. >> we're looking at footage of the american military that are carrying out the process of leaving that country. here's senator john mccain with a different view than the one that i just expressed and bob just did. he's been the toughest critics on the policy. he said, president obama should have promised to keep a residual force for the for...