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Industrial. 17,979 right now. we'll see if it hits that 18,000 mark this hour. stay with us for that. in the meantime, let's get back to philip banks, a 28-year veteran of the nypd, the new york police department. we've been discussing police wearing body cameras. chief banks, after the ferguson death shooting of michael brown, president obama called for equipping police with these body cameras. basically, bottom line, do you think it's worth experimenting and going forward with that? >> actually, i think it's worth it and i don't have mixed feelings on it. i think that the offices initially a...

Rewards to certain sort of behavior. we say, if you work, you are eligible for these kind of tax credits. a lot of welfare itself runs through the tax code, which means it's predicated in a certain way on working. but in fact, what this study suggests is that if not having money makes people worse decision makers, perhaps we should have a policy that gives them money simply for existing. there's a name for this policy. it's a minimum basic income. switzerland is experimenting with it right now. there are a lot of liberal researchers who think it's worth experimenting with the idea here in the ...