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Way the president would act, would use these sort of nondisclosure agreements? >> well, i was with him for 20 years. i was in the office majority of the week. i never saw the president engage in conduct that he couldn't be proud of. it may -- >> i mean, he was cheating on his wife. >> well, that's -- when i think of bill clinton, it fades in significance. and when i think of john kennedy, it fades into significance. >> so you're talking aside from personal morality. >> yes. i don't think people are that concerned that the president may have an affair or co-chief in some regard. i don't think t...

>> so i urge the president not to let his guard down when he has a conversation with -- with michael, and to be aware of the penchant for tape recordings. nobody knows this bethan giuliani. and for somebody to say he hasn't tried a case in 20 or 30 years is beside the point. he knows the way the system works. he is a person of great intellect. >> and i want to ask you one important thing. there are many things. but one thing before we go. you represented trump in his divorce. >> yes. >> so you have worked with him. >> yes. >> you know a significant amount about his personal life. probably more...

Word flip essentially saying the president didn't do anything wrong, but michael cohen will tell the feds whatever they want to hear to avoid going to prison. here is what jay goldberg said. >> a witness in michael's position is able to glean what it would take to get a letter of cooperation from the government and thereby avoid a lengthy prison term. >> carrie, is that what the fear here is? >> well, that seems to me the advice that mr. goldberg gave the president that michael cohcohe cohen. look, something under the investigation that michael cohen is obviously under in the southern district...

Got to get somebody else in there. but what else rudy does bring to this, not only his knowledge of the southern district of new york and understanding of how these prosecutions move forward, but he does give a sense of comfort to donald trump. look around donald trump right now. he doesn't have very many people surrounding him that he can trust. he has his daughter ivanka, his son-in-law i guess to some extent, his two sons. but there isn't very many other people that donald trump can trust. >> right. >> and rudy giuliani is one. >> harry, this also comes, you know, we're learning, the deputy...

Could be something criminal here. you won't be worried about jail otherwise. but you don't think he would have the goods on the president. he would simply say what they wanted to hear to get out of his own prison which you believe he could very fairly have deserved? >> i don't say that the government has importuned him to say certain things that are not true. but a witness in michael's position is able to glean what it would take to get a letter of cooperation from the government and thereby avoid a lengthy prison term. the record is clear. it corrupts the system, said one important federal ju...