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Suffering from is very serious. >> i was reading my facebook page. how can you be accused of stealing someone's youth, raping them repeatedly. forcibly impregnating them, forcibly aborting their babies and not face the death penalty? i mean, i know that he won't. >> it's a great question, carol, and i think one of the reasons that the entire country is focused on this case and much of the world by the way is focused on this case is because of that very thought this is the functional equivalent of a murder case. this person has been charged with crimes that involve stealing the lives. the very ...

The death penalty. so you won't see that in this case. >> okay, so how does the defense proceed from here? what happens next? >> two things that are going to be going on. the first is that a grand jury investigation is going to now be opened and formal charges, more formal charges lodged later on, more detailed charges as the investigation continues. another arraignment procedure in ohio, where he will be produced in front of a judge. get a different lawyer, probably a different legal aid lawyer unless he finds a way to retain a private attorney. i think we'll see more charges, probably more d...

Freedom, i would rather have my freedom as soon as i can get it. >> ted rowlands joins us from outside the courtroom with ashleigh banfield. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> hi. ted, i want to start with you. what will happen in court today? >> well, we're starting the penalty phase, carol and it will start with the question to the jurors, was this cruel? was this cruel enough under arizona law to make jodi arias eligible for the death penalty? we expect a fairly shot hearing on that, three or four hours today, may extend to friday, but relatively short, with one witness. if the jury says...

Yesterday, she said, oh, you know, i can't believe that they came back that way, there was no premeditation, if juan martinez plays this interview again, i think absolutely her lies will -- >> that's a huge part of mitigation, carol. honestly, when you are trying -- exactly. admitting your wrongdoing and beseeching a jury to forgive you and literally coming to terms with what happened and respect to their decision. >> you got it wrong. there was no premeditation, she's, i hate to say it in this colloquial terms, she's kind of asking for it. >> it went through my mind when she said she wanted t...

In the united states. in which the normal, legal channels wouldn't apply. you're seeing that play out in terms that he wasn't read his miranda rights. the difference being they can ask the question, they can get the information they need. but, the information they get, they can't, then, turn around and use against him at a trial. that would have to be gained separately. >> okay, thank you, chris. chris pulling a late shift for us. it was interesting, he said that, well, dzhokhar will, in fact, be a valuable piece of evidence, if you like.