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Only one stating back to the 1940s has there ever been a penalty of $250,000 that high reached. that is the jurisdictional limit that we were able to levy for a discriminatory act. in fact in most situations, whether or not there's even a decision to levy a penalty is made by looking at the circumstances of each individual case, including, of course, the size of the entity, the circumstances underlying, sophistication. in many instances fines are not even levied. >> housing and public accommodation, other areas that would be covered. what's not covered so we're providing good information and p...

He didn't have a legitimate privilege. attorney/client privilege would not apply here because he said repeatedly he was not working on behalf of a client. so the privilege wouldn't apply. attorney/client privilege doesn't apply to communications with third parties such as ukrainians. and even if he -- if it did apply, the fact is, he probably waived it by giving away his text messages on fox news. besides all that, it's a really bad look for giuliani to hold these secrets inside instead of disclosing it to the world because he has been out there blasting the whistleblower for allegedly having ...

So he would, in a way, lose money rather than profit. even if he could argue that, even if he could argue it is not a violation of the clause because lawyers threed to make that case that his businesses wouldn't apply. still, the amount of publicity that amount bring would be enormous. we're here in southern france. that town, it's a popular town for french vacationers, for surfers, it's completely shut down. you can barely move around. it's almost entirely sold out. the airport is shut down. this is a major, major security event. it's a major event with staff. we are at a hotel that is almost...

On michael cohen's list of worries right now. he's facing substantial time behind bars and he's got every incentive to cooperate with the authorities. >> hasn't he already lost it, though? his ability to practice law? >> yes, pretty much. i wouldn't expect him to be out there doing that. so the president's respect for attorney-client privilege not withstanding, michael cohen's got a lot of stuff he can offer. there is a well known exception to hat for crimes and frauds committed with the aid of counsel. if that's what's going on here, the privilege probably wouldn't apply. the old adage is if ...

Can assert kind of privilege while he is in the transition phase is a separate question. i don't know whether privilege applies to the transition period. but it certainly doesn't apply to the transition period if those conversations were criminal in nature because if he was president it wouldn't apply. >> right. the other thing is, every day that whitaker's in this role is remarkable. i mean, there is essentially the olc itself, the only precedent they could come up with is 186 of and exigent circumstances for six days, if i'm quoting that correctly, whitaker is involved in sort of a scam oper...