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Justice must provide the appearance of justice. what's what we need to do immediately. >> so many calls for that in new york and elsewhere. we should mention this wouldn't apply in the eric garner case, but if you were the prosecutor and i understand there limitations in how you can answer it, but what would you have liked to have seen conducted differently? >> i really can't comment on that. we don't know what happened in the grand jury. i have high regard for my colleague, the stan et island district attorney. one of the things that should be looked at is in new york state. against disclosin...

Reversed himself and then the president can explain why he did that. i took a closer look at the law. i didn't believe it. looking more closely now i believe that it does. what we saw on camera two dozen times does not exist and we were just too stupid to understand? >> well, i think this isn't just one issue. there's a pattern of this type of behavior. on obama care they've amended obama care after the fact without any congressional authority. they're now doing it on immigration. they've also done it on war powers as well. the constitution gives this power to congress, yet the president just ...

Physician and a psychiatrist. i hesitate to argue against charles. but i think charles is right on this. i think shutting down the government won't do any good. we don't have the power until january comes. in january, though, we have the power to write all of the appropriations bills and to, in minute detail, tell the president how the money is to be spent. so we have a great deal of power in january, and we should use all that. but i don't think we should use it to shut down the government in december. i don't think that helps anybody. >> what's the point of these congressional hearings? >> i...

In december. i don't think that helps anybody. >> what's the point of these congressional hearings? >> i wish we'd have the hearings to get to the bottom of it and make the president come forward and basically admit to hypocrisy but also to investigate and determine did he change the law. i think, frankly, he did change the law. one of the thin things the hou doing, i understand they're going to pass a bill that says this executive action would be repealed. it won't pass the senate, but by showing their will and intention, i think it helps the constitutional case. in the 1950s, we overturned a...

Sunday. do you believe the president has reversed himself? >> i don't even know how you can, with a straight face, defend the indefensible. how do you defend against the president's actual words 20 times saying he didn't have the power? the president went even so far as to say he's not a king, he's not an emperor, that he can't do this. now we have a complete about face and everybody will say, oh, well, the president changed his mind. >> is this not disrespectful? why not just say, yes, he reversed himself and then the president can explain why he did that. i took a closer look at the law. i d...