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Physician and a psychiatrist. i hesitate to argue against charles. but i think charles is right on this. i think shutting down the government won't do any good. we don't have the power until january comes. in january, though, we have the power to write all of the appropriations bills and to, in minute detail, tell the president how the money is to be spent. so we have a great deal of power in january, and we should use all that. but i don't think we should use it to shut down the government in december. i don't think that helps anybody. >> what's the point of these congressional hearings? >> i...

In december. i don't think that helps anybody. >> what's the point of these congressional hearings? >> i wish we'd have the hearings to get to the bottom of it and make the president come forward and basically admit to hypocrisy but also to investigate and determine did he change the law. i think, frankly, he did change the law. one of the thin things the hou doing, i understand they're going to pass a bill that says this executive action would be repealed. it won't pass the senate, but by showing their will and intention, i think it helps the constitutional case. in the 1950s, we overturned a...