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A president, actually makes him unqualified. >> and, john gardner, it's certainly there are people who we could find who exhibit more overt mental illness, but they could never get themselves up on to a debate stage and put sentences together. it seems to me that your point is within the realm of people who could possibly win a major party nomination and then go on to win the presidency, this, you're saying, is as sick mentally as you can get. >> right. this is literally the worst case scenario. because you're right, if he was a paranoid schizophrenic and wearing a tinfoil hat, then he wouldn'...

Party nomination and then go on to win the presidency, this, you're saying, is as sick mentally as you can get. >> right. this is literally the worst case scenario. because you're right, if he was a paranoid schizophrenic and wearing a tinfoil hat, then he wouldn't be elected president, but he's just sane enough as it were to pass, but actually detach from reality as the doctor said so that what is real is fluid. it's totally mall yaable according to his personality disorder. so you have someone handling the nuclear codes who's not in touch with reality and who's paranoid who imagines he's und...

Charge out of this when they say these views are extreme and i wouldn't be elected. i've been elected 12 times in my district. and age is a relative factor. you know, besides, you're not allowed to discriminate against age. if i have good ideas and in good health and appealing to young people, that's pretty good proof. but what really counts is the issues and what you believe in. freedom is a young idea. historically it hasn't been around all that long. we've had a great test in our country. and we're losing this. but most people have lived under tyranny. that is the main thing. young people, ...

And therefore, not presidential. not somebody who could actually win against, say, barack obama. how do you deal with that? now it's getting serious, and you see the poll numbers. maybe you hope to win in iowa, you didn't. you're coming in second perhaps in new hampshire. but you won't win there. how do you change perception to make people believe you could seriously be president? >> well, you know, i get a charge out of this when they say these views are extreme and i wouldn't be elected. i've been elected 12 times in my district. and age is a relative factor. you know, besides, you're not al...

And therefore not presidential. not somebody that could actually win against, say, barack obama. how do you deal with that? now it's getting serious, and you see the poll numbers. you know, maybe you hope to win in iowa. you didn't. you're coming in second perhaps in new hampshire. but you won't win there. how do you change perception to make people believe you could seriously be president? >> well, you know, i get a charge out of this when they say these views are extreme and i wouldn't be elected. i've been elected 12 times in my district. and age, age is a relative factor. you know, and bes...