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>> tucker: that is it and you make your point in his piece that's exactly right. it's become an excuse to let the actual natural environment to grade. one of the great things in my opinion -- the great thing about this country is its natural beauty, it has no parallel in the world and yet it's getting dirtier. there's litter and graffiti everywhere, why wouldn't conservatives spearhead efforts to clean up america? >> this is a huge pet peep with me. i don't understand, you're conservative so we have the self image, where the people who clean up our lawns. where the people who just sort of do t...

Involved in education. >> wouldn't conservatives be in favor of more streamlined loan process an mother deliverables as it were from taxpayers? >> there are conservatives who have been highly constructive on this. for instance, you have a really good belt that's trying to get a fair amount of data that colleges currently keep locked up about what students make after college and try to unlock that data so kids have it. i'd make one more point on the health care thing. health care and education suffer from similar problems. they've both grown at way faster than the rate of inflation. the thing t...