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Occasions, do you think that was a blind spot for her, did that make her more skeptical of how you might accept an accusation or respond fully to an accusation like this? >> i've spoken about this before, she love her husband. there is a real mutual respect and admiration and a lot of love in that marriage. and i think in that instance this was about a wife wanting to keep her marriage together. and that -- >> you don't see a connection with this? >> again, i have seen them both together up close and they love each other. and -- >> you don't see a connection with how she relates to that and ho...

But detroit and other large cities and states are huge winners. let's be honest about this. you have an alliance where the unions put manpower, money and boots on the ground to get politicians elected and they kept lavishing these amazing promises and it kept going on and on. >> all of a sudden you'll have a lot of commune nis palts say don't negotiate. just declare bankruptcy. >> detroit is going to be barred from the markets for a long time. i wouldn't extrapolate too much from this. the unions control new york city hall. bill de blasio, all his aides are close to this. new york city is goin...