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>> okay, he didn't answer his question about what you thought of the e-mail and the meeting. >> let me jump in sin he didn't answer. >> no let him answer. >> we'll see if he can take a swing at it. >> i don't believe that people should take meetings with foreign governments. >> why not? >> who are getting involved in elections because i personally think we know now -- we didn't know this back in june. at the time by the way there was a scandal been the clinton information and people were thinking they were going to get information on it. now we know the russian government was trying to have in...

Trump's eldest son. fake news and witch hunts. that's what they've been calling it. is this going to continue to fly? >> no. to go back to your network, there's that moment, it's been replayed a lot we embedded it in my column. a month after the meeting -- a month lair didn't junior is on cnn talking to jay tapper saying this is so phony and disgusting the mere effort there could be any information from the russian government and the trump campaign could be involved in it. had he forgotten that e-mail chain and that meeting that was disappointing because there was no dirt. he was taking such o...

Conclusion by people in the media is what the problem is there was no actual evidence of collusion there's something to be investigated. >> mike i think you're right people shouldn't jufrp to the outcome of conclusions but we don't know what the outcome of that meeting was. >> i have no issue of saying we don't know but saying there's collusion you're putting evidence out there to the public. >> you can filibuster an argument but you can't make it. here's what we know what happened, there's an e-mail that donald trump jr. received information that a russian government has dirt on hillary clint...

>> well obama had a democratic senate and the house in the first two years wen he was filling his cabinet. the point i'm make g is you can't say he's not getting his job done and hasn't filled key positions and ignored historical facts that can be researched that the president is facing obstruction when it determines how thing are getting through senate. those are facts that i'm putting out there. >> yeah i'd have to fact check that. this is me saying, no different than any other administration. but go on peter you wanted to weigh in? >> i wanted to weigh in on this issue of collusion saying t...

Give information that would subvert an election. that was the relationship. if you think this is the only meeting that took place you're naive about that. >> he did say there was a waste of time because there was nothing in it because tso he thought he was going to get something out of it. >> that's what he said, we have dv by the way, he's also changed his story about the meeting three times. i think we're -- >> what i'm saying we do know that he was going to get dirt. >> we didn't know he didn't get any dirt -- >> listen, you're arguing something i'm not arguing. because he didn't he's sayin...