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Ten years possibly longer. also clerked for kennedy, university of michigan is a fine law school. also wrote a book recently about leadership that i think was well done and attracted a lot of attention. he would also do a fine job as associate justice. >> amy barrett, 46 years old, 7th circuit, on the federal court of appeals since november i believe. you're talking seven eight months. there's some questions about whether or not her resume is long enough and notre dame law graduate. is the resume there? >> she hasn't been a judge for very long. but she's been a very distinguished academic for ...

Pick if you are the president? >> well, the calculus changes with each pick and a whole new ballgame. hardiman has been a judge the longest. he was a district court judge in 03 and sat on the 3rd circuit since 06. a very distinguished judge, close of course to the president's sister. very solid opinions on religious liberty, the 2nd amendment so it doesn't surprise me he's in the final list. whether he will get the nod or not, remains to be seen. >> democrats are rallying around roe versus wade. there will be if this nominee whoever it is goes through a fifth nominee that was put on a high cou...