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Evidence on her. >> reporter: did you worry that you wouldn't be able to get a conviction? >> somewhat. jared long was not giving us anything in regard to implicating jesse. we knew it was her involvement that got jared to when vincent was killed. >> reporter: how were you going to prove that? >> with her own words. >> reporter: enter defense attorney mark bryant. he represented jared long. he had a plan that could benefit jesse, too. his strategy was to get jesse's interview with police thrown out. how would he do that? >> mrs. gosselin told the local police department she didn't want to talk...

>> you don't need big boobs to be feminine. look at liberace. >> carson was definitely a mentor, and you hang on to those relationships where there is that magic. >> thank you for my career. thank you for letting me guest host for you, because i would not be sitting here ever. they all thought i stank, and you're the first one to say you're funny. >> thank you. we'll be back in a moment. >> so joan rivers is the permanent guest host when i start watching late night tv. i have this instant idea that women can be funny, women can be part of late night television. >> as much as i loved johnny, it...

I had this instant idea that women can be funny, women can be part of late night television. >> as much as i loved johnny, it was a holiday when joan rivers subbed for him. >> i have the same thing. >> of course she dreamed of getting johnny's job permanently. why wouldn't she? she was the heir apparent. a big executive at nbc came to my parents' house and said to them, i've seen the memo of the possible replacements for carson. your name is not on the list. you'll always just be a guest host. it was devastating. my mother was so upset. and felt like carson knew all this and was letting it hap...

Permanently. why wouldn't she? she was the heir apparent. >> a big executive at nbc came to my parents' house. and said, to them, i've seen the memo of the possible replacements for carson. your name is not on the list. you'll always just be a guest host. it was devastating. my mother was so upset. and felt like carson knew all this. and was letting it happen. and fox came in and wooed my mom and wooed my dad, edgar. >> the fox network was brand new. and they wanted, sort of, a marquee late-night talk show. >> joan calls me. late at night, at home.

Vice presidential pick, she said that that was presumptuous, but wouldn't she, and a little bit of a change from what she heard before and has remained open to the idea before and said in the past she would not make the best person for a job and maybe a shift and maybe a hint that she is looking at some women to be her vice presidential picks and this is something we have seen from other candidates as well. joe biden recently floated some idea that he would nominate a woman, and cory booker has pledged to nominate a woman as his vice presidential pick. and so i think gender, the politics there...